X32 Discussion

Re: X32RACK - Ipad wireless question

Shane Presley said:
Good afternoon gents. I recieved my X32rack wed of last week. I used it for the first time this weekend with my band, and I was experiencing a ton of wireless drop out. I am using a standard Linksys router ( blue with dual black ant) WRT54G I believe, and Ipad 1. I know the app has grown large enough that IPAD 1 is sluggish, but we were losing wireless connection on the guitar players iphone 5, and the bassists iphone 3G. There were 2 in house bar wireless signals showing as connection options, but they were locked. Anyway, it seemed like every 5 minutes I was losing connection. The ipad was sitting probably 6 inches from the linksys unit. Then on sunday I pulled out my x32 classic, and the same router, same ipad - same problems. I was using the ipad fairly close to the router, then I would try to walk the room to mix the band, and the dropouts were still happening. Anyway I was hoping someone to guide me into where to start, IPAD or router change....
Thanks
SP
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I would go with a better router. I'm using the Linksys E2500, which is a Simultaneous Dual-Band N (2.4 & 5 GHz). The range on it is excellent, and I've never had a dropout.
 
Re: X32RACK - Ipad wireless question

Dick Franks said:
I would go with a better router. I'm using the Linksys E2500, which is a Simultaneous Dual-Band N (2.4 & 5 GHz). The range on it is excellent, and I've never had a dropout.
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I have a cheep Linksys E800 that has been working pretty well. It is 2.4Ghz only, but unlike the OP's current router, it is 802.11n vs 802.11g. I can get about 100 feet from my basement (daylight basement) outside with my X32 Rack and router inside the basement at the other side of the house.

The downside is if you have serious bandwidth issues on 2.4Ghz at a gig.

In this case, the best option is a wireless router capable of 5Ghz. If the router is dual band like the one above, they you want to ensure that the router is setup to disable the 2.4Ghz operation completely to make sure you are only connecting to the 5Ghz connection.

You can try the cheep router I mentioned for around $30.00. The E2500 is around $75.00, but will definitely fix the issue.
 
Re: X32core USB to mac crashes mac

Jan Duwe said:
Expansion cards and sync to external word clock >
All the three new expansion cards for X32 allow providing clock sync to or receiving it from external devices. The ADAT card offers sync to either one of the four Toslink inputs or the dedicated WC BNC coaxial connection. Dante manages a specific clocking domain to which the console can be slave (typ.) or master. The MADI card also offers sync to and from external light-pipe or coaxial connections.
Due to the poorly controlled jitter on USB and FW connections, the X32 does not support being clock slave to those connections, currently.
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This is fantastic news.

Is it too late to add wordclock I/O to the MADI and DANTE cards?

Would you consider creating a new USB/FW card with wordclock I/O?

Can you comment on the prices and availability?

I hope the MADI and DANTE are both running at 44.1k and 48k? How do you handle the 56 vs 64 channel spec for the MADI, is it selectable? With both inputs there are a total of 112/128 inputs on the card, how are these handled? Is there extra routing at the card level to choose which 32 of these gets presented to the X32? Or are all of these inputs presented at the routing page where you choose in blocks of 8?

Are the two outputs always mirrored?

How is output routing handled? Can you cascade a MADI stream, so for example using two X32 mixers you could daisy chain and generate a 64 channel stream, with the first 1-32 from one X32 and 33-64 from the other? Will you include delay management to compensate for propagation delay (like the RME Octamic XTC)?

Thanks, James.
 
Re: X32core USB to mac crashes mac

Hi Klaus,

The chipset used on X-USB is tied to a specific streaming mode, which is supported on more recent Mac OSX, 10.7/10.8/10.9. CoreAudio on 10.6 can handle at least up to 16x16 channels, but on 10.4 or 10.5 CoreAudio does not support this mode at all.

The X-UF card for X32 is using a totally different architecture that can adapt the streaming depending on the OS version. And it allows USB or FW connections under 10.6.8 with the full 32x32 streaming. So, it is not a general limitation of 10.6, but it is due to the combination of 10.6 and this streaming mode the X-USB chipset is using.

Best,
Jan
 
Re: X32core USB to mac crashes mac

Hi Behringer,

The "aux in remap", why not allow choosing from any input? Or if you are going to restrict to only 6 channels, at least put the default to channels 33-38 rather than 1-6. Make a bit more sense, no?
 
Re: X32 Rack output routing head scratcher

Per Søvik said:
The S16 is probably not in the right mode for your routing. You either need to route to AES50A 1-8 to reach the outputs in mode 1 or select mode 2 to output AES50A 9-16
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Per,
To keep it simple, I am trying to route output from FOH to X32 Rack. Once I get this working I'll add in the other 2 S16's.

Equipment:
X32 Rack connected to S16 in Mode 2
X32 console at FOH connected to X32 Rack

Connections are S-16 AES50 A -> X32 Rack AES50 A -> X32 Rack AES50 B -> X32 FOH AES50 A

The S16 is set to 9-16 (mode 2) and is connected to the X32 Rack on AES50 A.

If I only use the X32 Rack outputs 9-16 work as expected.

When I add the FOH X32 to AES50 B, I get no output on the S16's 9-16. I see that there is actual output on X32, but on the X32 Rack I see nothing in the output meters and have no audio output on any of the channels. All inputs work as expected (mirrored from the X32 Rack).

FOH is set to output on channels 15-18.

The routing is shown below. The first three images are of the X32 Rack, 4-6 are of the X32 FOH.
 

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Re: X32 Rack output routing head scratcher

You are not routing anything from the X32 FOH at the Rack.
If you want to forward something to the S16 connected to Rack AES50A, you need to go into the AES50A tab on the rack and select AES50B9-16 as source for Output 9-16.
At the moment (first image) you are outputting from the rack, but you want to forward from FOH if I got you correctly.

To output something from FOH on the actual rack outputs, you need some additional routing, but let's concentrate on the routing to get you S16 up and running first.
 
Re: X32 Rack output routing head scratcher

John Rendell said:
Connections are S-16 AES50 A -> X32 Rack AES50 A -> X32 Rack AES50 B -> X32 FOH AES50 A

The S16 is set to 9-16 (mode 2) and is connected to the X32 Rack on AES50 A.

If I only use the X32 Rack outputs 9-16 work as expected.

When I add the FOH X32 to AES50 B, I get no output on the S16's 9-16.
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I do not use S16's at the moment, but I think you give the answer yourself. You connect the rack to the FOH AES50 A, so I assume you didn't connect anything to AES50 B of the FOH console?
But you try to output to AES50 B? Schouldn't you try to output to AES50 A? :?~:-?~:???:
 
Re: Page 400!!! - Maybe time to stop...

Don't get me wrong. On one side X32 platform is quickly becoming the de-facto standard for junior (low cost) sound production and live. Kudos to Behringer for this.
And this thread is continuous source of information and hints. Thanks to the remarkable and enthusiastic community, that has kept us in the small studio alive with the transition to digital, and has made me the semi-advanced X32 user I am now.

On the other side this is becoming honestly unmanageable and a bit ridiculous. Retrieving an interesting hint from months ago is just a nightmare. This is now a forum in a thread (or the longest poem on a roll of toilet paper).
The community is growing from "toilet poetry" to serious stuff. Moderators should consider to freeze this thread and make the community information manageable and accessible.
my 2 cents.
regards from an happy X32'er.
Cesare
 
Re: X32 Rack output routing head scratcher

Antoon van den Oetelaar said:
I do not use S16's at the moment, but I think you give the answer yourself. You connect the rack to the FOH AES50 A, so I assume you didn't connect anything to AES50 B of the FOH console?
But you try to output to AES50 B? Schouldn't you try to output to AES50 A? :?~:-?~:???:
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Antoon,

You are correct in your assumption that your output routing would go through AES50A and not AES50B.

Best,
Evan Hooton
Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
Re: X32core USB to mac crashes mac

Jan Duwe said:
Hi Klaus,

The chipset used on X-USB is tied to a specific streaming mode, which is supported on more recent Mac OSX, 10.7/10.8/10.9. CoreAudio on 10.6 can handle at least up to 16x16 channels, but on 10.4 or 10.5 CoreAudio does not support this mode at all.

The X-UF card for X32 is using a totally different architecture that can adapt the streaming depending on the OS version. And it allows USB or FW connections under 10.6.8 with the full 32x32 streaming. So, it is not a general limitation of 10.6, but it is due to the combination of 10.6 and this streaming mode the X-USB chipset is using.

Best,
Jan
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Thank you Jan for reply

I see 'Conceptual Engineering' in your footer...

May I place a suggestion, as to not let us 10.6.8 users in the dark with 'only' 16 x 16 streaming...
I'm sure Firewire is still possible, or maybe another USB chipset...

Another question, when will the V2 firmware and a new X32-Edit roll out ?

Best regards

Klaus
 
Re: Page 400!!! - Maybe time to stop...

Cesare Bezzi said:
On the other side this is becoming honestly unmanageable and a bit ridiculous. Retrieving an interesting hint from months ago is just a nightmare. This is now a forum in a thread (or the longest poem on a roll of toilet paper).
The community is growing from "toilet poetry" to serious stuff. Moderators should consider to freeze this thread and make the community information manageable and accessible.
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The problem is it takes a lot of work to organize the info in a usable form. When I set up the forum for the Mackie DL1608 I was advised of the danger of this and that what the world really needed was a FAQ (thanks Mike Rivers) - so I constantly cull information into a set of FAQs and otherwise merge and split threads as needed to keep it all usable. I don't think the admins here have the time or desire to do this here. For those interested in seeing the results:
DL1608
 
Re: Page 400!!! - Maybe time to stop...

Cesare Bezzi said:
On the other side this is becoming honestly unmanageable and a bit ridiculous. Retrieving an interesting hint from months ago is just a nightmare. This is now a forum in a thread (or the longest poem on a roll of toilet paper).
The community is growing from "toilet poetry" to serious stuff. Moderators should consider to freeze this thread and make the community information manageable and accessible.
my 2 cents.
regards from an happy X32'er.
Cesare
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Hi Cesare,

Wow, I sure disagree with you.

Every time I've used the search function I've been able to find exactly what I was looking for. Don't bother scrolling through pages unless you want to relive the past.

And I really like this megathread, because we only have one place to follow each day (or multiple times a day) to see what topics are current in our X32 world. Ideally, there should be only one place to search for ANYTHING you want to know about the X32, and this is currently it. A newbie can make a good substitute for an education by reading the whole thread from the beginning to learn all there is to know about the console, its issues, and workarounds or solutions.

That is why I am referring to and summarizing in this thread information in other threads and other forums which is about something that I think is worth knowing.

This thread is the vein of gold that can be mined to learn whatever is needed to be known.

I hope this thread lasts the life of the product, until there is a Y32 or Y64, and the X32's are remembered for the game-changers they have been.

My US$.02.

Dan
 
Re: X32 Rack output routing head scratcher

Thanks Per (and others).
Got it figured out. I should not try doing this stuff at 4am on a few hours of sleep.

John
 
Re: Cores Now In Stock

Spent some time with the Cores last night; both worked perfectly. I really like how you have to press a button when rebooting to tell it to look for a firmware update. That is a smart thing so you don't have to guess if it's seeing something or not.

The beauty of 1.15 was fully revealed with the Core; no need to do anything on the Core itself once you set the IP address and a couple other things. It seemed like the Airport glommed onto the console much easier than the X32's do, but I only used one Airport and so it was a very small sample. Time will tell.

These will pretty much only be used as spare consoles, but it was cool to see the elegance with which they do their thing.

Nice job, Behringer!
 
Re: ESD

Christian Boche said:
Not really. Point is: Use Ethernet-connectors and the problem is solved!
Put some of these-->

NE8MC-B-1 - Neutrik

on your CAT cable, and the static will discharge to ground over the X32 chassis.
You can even install the Neutrik connectors by youself without any crimping or soldering.
Dead easy to do-->

Behringer X32 - AES50 Digital Snake Cable Build - EtherCon Connector - YouTube

Invest 10$ in these connectors and you are good to go:)
No more drop outs due static.

Christian
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To further summarize Brian Wynn's findings:

Using an S16 + Compact, speaker drive from S16

-------------------------------UNSHIELDED CAT:---------SHIELDED CAT no Ethercon:------SHIELDED CAT w/Ethercon

Shock to console _____________FAIL__________________FAIL________________________PASS

Shock to S16________________FAIL__________________FAIL, but took longer___________PASS

Shock to mic @S16___________FAIL__________________PASS_______________________PASS

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Compact only, no S16 or CAT

Shock to console PASS

Shock to mic PASS

That discussion started at behringer x32 cracking and popping with 2x S16 connected?
 
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Re: ESD

Antoon van den Oetelaar said:
Somewhere in the settings you can change the behaviour, I think you can have it working the way you want. You can also choose to have it pre or post fader, be aware that certainly in pre mode your levels can differ a lot. Sometimes I use this in live situations to have more reverb in the cans to hear the effect more easily.
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Hey Antoon, thanks for enlighten me, in the matrix question, its a simple task indeed :D (now that you told me how to do it)

My bus question was not put clearly. sorry for my upside down English. What I wanted to ask was: is it possible to isolate and hear only the fx applied to a bus in monitors? It will be very helping for me.

I managed to isolate the fx of a bus closing stereo bus button from main bus section in the near left of the display AND closing the channel faders that feed the particular bus (not muting them). When I use the solo button of the bus I hear the signals of the fx and clean channels that feed the bus together. Something is escaping my understanding :D

This is a complex process to isolate fx in a studio mixing session with 20+ of channels, and after this process I have to put back the faders in the earlier exact position. This is an unproductive way of isolating the fx of a bus just to hear it in solo mode, the things already seams complex enough as I'm a newbie in sound engineering. (just a guitarist ho wants to learn here).

for example, in ableton there are return channels for fx's and I can solo them to hear just the the fx. For sure x32 its capable of a simple thing like that, but I can't find it in manual or on the web.
 
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