X32 Discussion

Re: using a seperate network switch and wireless router?

Robert Lofgren said:
Link the bus and configure it as 'group'. This way the bus will be stereo and it will respect the repective channel panning.
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Thank You! that will do. In this configuration I don't have active faders on sends on fader, I just have mute/unmute.

Just for curiosity I made another group of linked buses set as groups for the same channels and I applied fx on them (vintage room). it would be nice if the reverb was panned as the channels are. Would be nice if I could control the level of fx from sends of fader into this linked buses... only mute/unmute in this case. Maybe I want to much from this console.

Thanks again for your answer.
 
talkback with 2 consoles

Hey guys quick question.. does anyone have an easy solution for talkback routing (from FOH) when using 2 consoles with S16s, i.e. MONS has master headamp control of the S16 and FOH is digital split off AES50 from MONS console.
 
Re: using a seperate network switch and wireless router?

Declan Slater said:
Man.. Lots of folk in here lookin' to keep thier setups pretty small, eh? Makes my think of all those consoles it would take 4-6 folk to lift back in the day!

I tried out a few things on a conference this weekend:
Seems that my ipad lags and random app crashes way less when running all wired connections (console, core, laptop) into a network switch and running a seperate router to handle dhcp and wireless duties. I'd like to see if a managed switch would work better. I'd like to also try out the x32-router java app from flamenco, anyone here use it? X32 Router | TwelveTone
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Hi Declan,

I, too, feel that my Airport Express works better (or at least connects to the consoles better and more reliably) when connected through a switch. Haven't tried using a separate router for dhcp; we have set the iPads all to Static.

Regarding the switch, I've started using redundant WiFi, and have found that running the Express from another router (like an Airport Extreme or a Linksys 4500) which has a built in switch also works well for AE reliability.
 
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Re: using a seperate network switch and wireless router?

Dragos Strat said:
Thank You! that will do. In this configuration I don't have active faders on sends on fader, I just have mute/unmute.

Just for curiosity I made another group of linked buses set as groups for the same channels and I applied fx on them (vintage room). it would be nice if the reverb was panned as the channels are. Would be nice if I could control the level of fx from sends of fader into this linked buses... only mute/unmute in this case. Maybe I want to much from this console.

Thanks again for your answer.
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- Remember with sub groups the ch sends to this is simply always post fader - hence unmute and ch sent to the subgrp and mute it is not.
- Although you cannot send the output from the subgroup to the effects bus sends each channel sent to your subgroup can be sent to an effect bus send. The return from an effect send by default goes to the l/r main bus but you could alternatively send the return to your subgroup. But note the effects return for all ch being sent to the effect via the effect bus would be returned to the subgroup. Therefore you would only want to use the particular effect(s) for those channels you are sending to the subgroup.
 
Re: using a seperate network switch and wireless router?

Hi Guys,

We have an amazing series of stage experiences for the 2014 NAMM Show, so if you’re in Anaheim, stop by our booth, #5244 and check it out!

BEHRINGER Stage B will feature breakout sessions with product specialists on the fine points of the 2.0 firmware update for the award-winning X32 series consoles, and audio pros will share knowledge about using the desk on high-profile tours including Terry "TJ" Jackson (FOH Earth Wind & Fire), Paul Wells (Rozzi Crane and ZZ Ward), Leonard Contreras, (Whiskey A Go Go, System of a Down, Taproot, Stone Sour and Coal Chamber).

Stage A will feature top-notch performances, Q&A sessions, and autograph opportunities.

We’re giving away sweatshirts at these sessions to a select few. Keep an eye out for the code word! To find it, follow @BEHRINGER on Twitter and Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/BEHRINGER

BEHRINGER X32 Sessions and Engineer Breakouts:
Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday at 2:00 PM - X32 2.0 Firmware Launch
Learn about the X32’s groundbreaking new 2.0 Firmware launch, which includes a wealth of added features. We'll also talk about the new option cards that add Dante, MADI and ADAT connectivity to the X32 family. Lead Engineer Jan Duwe will be on-hand and available for Q&A.

Friday and Saturday at 1:45 PM - FOH Engineer Paul Wells Speaks About X32
Paul has toured with ZZ Ward and Rozzi Crane (Maroon 5), and will discuss his experience with the X32, along with the tips and tricks he picked up during the past year’s world tours. Q&A will follow.

Friday at 2:45 PM and Saturday at 11:30 AM - FOH Engineer Terry “TJ” Jackson Speaks About X32
Terry has handled Front of House duties for such top acts as Michael Jackson (Project Africa Tour), George Benson, Anita Baker, Whitney Houston and Al Jarreau. TJ will share his vast touring experience, including his latest tour with Earth Wind & Fire using the X32 and P16 Personal Monitoring System. Q&A will follow.

Friday and Saturday at 3:45 PM - FOH Engineer Leonard Contreras Speaks About X32
Join us behind the X32 console with world-famous Whisky a Go Go FOH Engineer, Leonard Contreras who has also toured with such high-profile acts as System of a Down, Taproot, Stone Sour and Coal Chamber. Leonard has logged countless hours on the X32 – both on the road and at The Whisky. This FOH legend will be sharing his experience. Q&A will follow.

BEHRINGER Breakouts to Inform, Entertain NAMM Attendees | Behringer News
 
Re: using a seperate network switch and wireless router?

Hi Joe,
Will you be recording these sessions and putting them up on the web at a later date - or how about a live broadcast- for those of us who due to mass expanses of water cannot pop by?
 
iPad bus sends could cause confusion!

Last night I noticed that when adjusting bus sends for an input channel on the iPad app, you can mute channels in specific bus sends. I was disabling a mic from a monitor mix for an opening act. What I realized later is that this mute is not apparent while viewing the console unless in sends on faders mode for the appropriate bus send. Wondering if this status is reflected in the normal bus encoders when a channel is selected? It seemed that encoder appeared locked out meaning the level LED's would not operate.
 
Re: NAMM

Uli Behringer said:
Dear all,

we are very excited to head for Namm and launch the X32 V2.0 Firmware plus over 40 amazing new products.

Come join us at Booth #5244 and listen to incredible artists from Earth, Wind & Fire, Living Color and more.

Warm regards

Uli
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Question to Behringer people: I just heard from a salesperson at Guitar Center that X32 Compact will be (or already is?) phased out of production because it "didn't took off" as did full X32. Guy didn't look to be very familiar with X32 line, he could be possibly mistaking it with X32 Producer. If true, it will be sad news, I was planning to buy Compact for monitor use with my full X32 at FOH. It would be nice to hear the truth from Behringer folks, will the Compact remain in production, or not.

They both looks similar to MIDAS Pro 2/2C pair, where base model is actually Pro-2C with 8 channel faders (like X32 Compact), and extra 8-channel bank in Pro-2 (that has 16 channel faders) is a separate printed board connected to main board with ribbon cable. Main printed board is the same in both. MIDAS people actually favors Pro-2C.

Any clarification on that?
 
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Re: NAMM

the compact is currently thomann's 5th best selling digital desk (thomann being Europe's largest distributor) - only surpassed by the various x32 packages and the x32 rack. both it AND the producer are outselling the nearest 16 channel rival - the qu16. i think it's unlikely they will stop selling. BUT this rumour is persistent in the USA and for some reason they don't seem to be stocking the producer out there - i have heard a few people out there surprised that it's available yet it's easy to get hold of in Europe. Is it possible that the USA is simply overstocked with compacts and they need to thin out their stocks before they can take on the producer?
I think it's unlikely you will hear more from Behringer before NAMM. the new range line up should become clear then but i think it's unlikely that the compact is going anywhere while it outsells all other rivals. you don't kill a product that outsells it's rivals just because it is outsold by another of your products.
 
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Howard Tomlinson said:
the compact is currently thomann's 5th best selling digital desk (thomann being Europe's largest distributor) - only surpassed by the various x32 packages and the x32 rack. both it AND the producer are outselling the nearest 16 channel rival - the qu16. i think it's unlikely they will stop selling. BUT this rumour is persistent in the USA and for some reason they don't seem to be stocking the producer out there - i have heard a few people out there surprised that it's available yet it's easy to get hold of in Europe. Is it possible that the USA is simply overstocked with compacts and they need to thin out their stocks before they can take on the producer?
I think it's unlikely you will hear more from Behringer before NAMM. the new range line up should become clear then but i think it's unlikely that the compact is going anywhere while it outsells all other rivals. you don't kill a product that outsells it's rivals just because it is outsold by another of your products.
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I like X32 compact, but not quite understood marketing concept of X32 Producer: Not whole lot smaller than Compact, but everything is shrunk, smaller screen, less surface controls and main thing for me, no channel scribble strips! Is it intended to be used mostly as preamp/DAW controller? For now it looks something in between Compact and Rack X32s, being neither. Can anybody share their experience with X32 Producer?

Guitar Center had X32 Compact on sale few months ago for $1699 in California, from what they were saying it was below dealer's cost (!), but they may do it again. I'm waiting for deal like that. And just out of curiosity, what are the top selling digital mixers in Europe, in Thomann's sales numbers?
 
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sales ranking:
Product Sales Rank: Digital Mixing Desks - Thomann UK
although they don't publish actual quantity of sales and having had a play around with the interface, you get different results depending on how you find your way to their ranking system.
the scribble strip missing is only an issue for those of us who have been spoiled with it. it isn't present on the qu16 - and there is your comparison - put the qu16 and the x32 producer next to each other - that's it's marketing point. i was with a professional musician on tuesday and reviewing the qu16 i advised him to go for that, as it was simpler to follow for him, less features but all the essentials, all 16 faders available to grab. versus the x32 producer, which only had 8 faders to grab (mixing as a musician) but much more feature rich set. if i had the money for a 2nd desk i would most definitely have the producer myself as a desk on the go for recording and working with small shows. the qu16 just happened to work for him coming from that 16 channel rack mount world. the producer and qu16 are both mixwiz replacements for the 21st century - when you view them that way, it becomes obvious where it's market is.
 
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Both the Compact and Producer are in stock at the American distributor, Starin. LOTS of Compacts, and a smaller number of Producers.

We should know Behringer's 2014 direction in a week or so; any guesses on new products?

Mine:

1) CAT snake cable

2) The return of the 16 channel X32 (not meaning the Rack).

3) X48 (I can dream, can't I?).

4) Bunch of other stuff (Uli said 40 new products).
 
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I heard from a dealer that the new firmware will expand the x32 producer and compact to 16 input faders. also new firm ware will have many more features. Looking forward to see whats coming up at namm. J
 
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Dan Mortensen said:
Both the Compact and Producer are in stock at the American distributor, Starin. LOTS of Compacts, and a smaller number of Producers.

We should know Behringer's 2014 direction in a week or so; any guesses on new products?

Mine:

1) CAT snake cable

2) The return of the 16 channel X32 (not meaning the Rack).

3) X48 (I can dream, can't I?).

4) Bunch of other stuff (Uli said 40 new products).
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What I don't get about the whole "16 channel X32" stuff is, as I remember it, the compact only has 16 mic inputs, so it's basically that desk, but with extra (and worthwhile to include) processing.
 
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Dan Mortensen said:
Both the Compact and Producer are in stock at the American distributor, Starin. LOTS of Compacts, and a smaller number of Producers.

We should know Behringer's 2014 direction in a week or so; any guesses on new products?

Mine:

1) CAT snake cable

2) The return of the 16 channel X32 (not meaning the Rack).

3) X48 (I can dream, can't I?).

4) Bunch of other stuff (Uli said 40 new products).
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All X32 models share the same main processor (a PC motherboard running Linux OS, same as in MIDAS desks, essentially these all are software desks, unlike small format Yamaha mixers (01V and DM series) that are built around Yamaha's proprietary DSP6 and DSP7 processors. So in all X32s you have access to the same processing power, just number of controls varies, even in 16 in/8 out models (Compact, Producer and Rack).

What do you mean referring to "16-channel X32"?

Also, I was asking about the hypothetical "X48" desk number of times. Seems like it's doable, there's definitely a gap between X32 and the smallest Midas Pro 1, so it's up to Uli who will fill it, Midas or Behringer brand. From business standpoint a smaller Midas desk makes more sense, it can have higher price tag than beefed-up X32 (Midas Pro 1 is actually already smaller and simplier desk than X32, probably costs less to produce and can be bumped to 48 channels from current 40, it's all about software, all small Midas Pro desks share the same central computer).

Anxious to see all new Behringer stuff at NAMM!
 
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Arik Semagin said:
All X32 models share the same main processor (a PC motherboard running Linux OS, same as in MIDAS desks, essentially these all are software desks, unlike small format Yamaha mixers (01V and DM series) that are built around Yamaha's proprietary DSP6 and DSP7 processors. So in all X32s you have access to the same processing power, just number of controls varies, even in 16 in/8 out models (Compact, Producer and Rack).
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While all the x32‘s share the same processor it isn't a pc motherboard like the midas. It is rather a dsp-based mcu.

Doesn't the midas run embedded windows and not linux?

I've never seen any official statement that the x32 runs on linux so I don't know where that comes from...
 
Re: talkback with 2 consoles

brian kozicki said:
Hey guys quick question.. does anyone have an easy solution for talkback routing (from FOH) when using 2 consoles with S16s, i.e. MONS has master headamp control of the S16 and FOH is digital split off AES50 from MONS console.
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For clarification, my s16 outputs come from the FOH console and my monitor outputs come from the physical outputs on the back of the monitor console. Anyone?
 
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