X32 Discussion

[Sheriton Swan]

Re: Auto-mixing at last?

I have a few questions about these XR's, do they have phantom power? No mention of it anywhere. Are the preamps the same as in the X32? This is also not mentioned.

The control software has a phantom power button which rather suggests that they do have it. My understanding is that the preamps are the same as in the X32 (they certainly claim to be Midas designed) as I suspect is most of the internal software.

 

[Louis Ismael]

New software

I will buy third x32 for theater installation but sound engeneer there is not happy with x32 mute function. when I talked to my dealer today, he said he heard from his friend who is engineer for berhinger engineer in Germany that new software will be released very soon. it can select hard or soft mute in select menu. I hope it is true as this is only function I dont like.
He say new software has even more feature. in my 20 year experience i have not seen other company follow customer and make new firmware so fast.

 

[Kevin Maxwell]

Re: New software

I will buy third x32 for theater installation but sound engeneer there is not happy with x32 mute function. when I talked to my dealer today, he said he heard from his friend who is engineer for berhinger engineer in Germany that new software will be released very soon. it can select hard or soft mute in select menu. I hope it is true as this is only function I dont like.
He say new software has even more feature. in my 20 year experience i have not seen other company follow customer and make new firmware so fast.

I have posted some of this before.

I have found a fantastic solution for controlling scenes for theatrical work with an X32 it is called Palladium and is written by an Australian fellow.

Here is a link to his web site. http://chsounddesign.com/

Palladium uses mixer files that are specific. I made an X32 mixer file and just need to get a hold of an X32 to finish up a minor thing called the fader law calibration (so the fader gain numbers match more closely) and then he said he would make it available on his web site with the others.

Anyone who want info as to how it works or how to use it let me know, I would be glad to share and help in anyway I can.

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: New software

I have posted some of this before.

I have found a fantastic solution for controlling scenes for theatrical work with an X32 it is called Palladium and is written by an Australian fellow.

Looks to me like Palladium is Midi only, not exactly ideal for the X32 because the Midi implementation is limited. There are other softwares that will do OSC.

 

[Kevin Maxwell]

Re: New software

Looks to me like Palladium is Midi only, not exactly ideal for the X32 because the Midi implementation is limited. There are other softwares that will do OSC.

Rather then have this buried in this massive thread I would like to continue this conversation in the X32 for theater work I started a while ago. See here.

https://soundforums.net/threads/5339-X32-for-theatrical-work/page5

 

[Jay Ashworth]

Re: X32 Discussion

Am I correct in believing that the only thing DCA's can control is channel and bus faders? I cannot, for example, have an input channel's fader tied to one DCA, and one of its bus sends tied to a different DCA? For theatre productions, it would be nice to be able to use two DCA faders to send one effects channel either to the mains or to a backstage speaker behind the set.

 

[Sheriton Swan]

Re: X32 Discussion

I cannot, for example, have an input channel's fader tied to one DCA, and one of its bus sends tied to a different DCA?

For that job, if I'm understanding you correctly, I'd probably set two different channels to the same source, not route one to the main mix and use that one for the bus send.

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: X32 Discussion

Am I correct in believing that the only thing DCA's can control is channel and bus faders? I cannot, for example, have an input channel's fader tied to one DCA, and one of its bus sends tied to a different DCA? For theatre productions, it would be nice to be able to use two DCA faders to send one effects channel either to the mains or to a backstage speaker behind the set.

DCA doesn't control faders, it attenuates or amplifies levels at the DCA insert points, which happen to be the same point the faders are inserted. Thus, DCA will affect anything that is post fader.

 

[Jay Ashworth]

Re: X32 Discussion

Per's answer means "you can't do it that way". Sheriton's answer tells me what way I can.

I assume I'll have to take the bus send post fader for that to work.

Thanks, gents.

 

[Kevin Maxwell]

Re: X32 Discussion

Per's answer means "you can't do it that way". Sheriton's answer tells me what way I can.

I assume I'll have to take the bus send post fader for that to work.

Thanks, gents.

Just remember when using DCAs (or VCAs) if you have something controlled by more then one DCA all of the DCAs that are controlling that thing need to be up to get any signal from it.

I really like the way that the Avid consoles display VCA contribution if you have the display option turned on. There is a red ghost indicator of the fader and you see it on the screen if a DCA is adding or subtracting gain. It is a nice way to see what is really happening.

 

[Antoon van den Oetelaar]

Re: X32 Discussion

I really like the way that the Avid consoles display VCA contribution if you have the display option turned on. There is a red ghost indicator of the fader and you see it on the screen if a DCA is adding or subtracting gain. It is a nice way to see what is really happening.

I caught myself last saturday, having a DCA turned down. Took me a couple of minutes to find whyI didn't get any signal...
So this would be a great addition. Maybe a red dot next to each fader on the app, normal at the 0 mark, but depending on the DCA, up or below.
Not sure how it could be added on the x32 screen...

 

[Kevin Maxwell]

Re: X32 Discussion

Per's answer means "you can't do it that way". Sheriton's answer tells me what way I can.

I assume I'll have to take the bus send post fader for that to work.

Thanks, gents.

When you say effects are you talking sound effect playback?

You could program the user keys to recall snippets that are programmed to do the things that you want regarding routing the SFX. This just may be a quicker way to make it happen on the fly.

You could first do what Sheriton said and then write 2 snippets one brings up the channel to one location and the other brings it up to the other location. You could probably also do it with one input with one snippet bringing the output of that channel to one location and the other bringing it up to another location. Depending on how you do it you may also want to write in that snippet bringing the other down but that is up to you as to how you want it to behave.

 

[Kevin Maxwell]

Re: X32 Discussion

I caught myself last saturday, having a DCA turned down. Took me a couple of minutes to find whyI didn't get any signal...
So this would be a great addition. Maybe a red dot next to each fader on the app, normal at the 0 mark, but depending on the DCA, up or below.
Not sure how it could be added on the x32 screen...

When that first happened to me (on the Avid) I didn’t know what the ghost faders meant.

The way the Avid always has the input or the output faders on the screen makes it easy for them to do it. I don’t know how they would accomplish the same thing on an X/M32.

 

[Jay Ashworth]

Re: X32 Discussion

Kevin: since I'm cuing by hand, I think using Sheriton's idea straight will be easier. Same input, 2 channel pairs, each on its own DCA, one to stereo, other to bus

 

[Martin Korg]

Re: X32 Discussion

Hi. I have a question. What Can I do to connect X32 to Computer with osx (mac) used x-usb to control remote midi in Cubase 7.5 ?I connect x32 to usb port but x32 don't send any midi message to Cubase. "Button Daw Remote" is Active. Please help….. ~:-(~:sad:

 

[Chris Wadden]

Re: X32 Discussion

Hi. I have a question. What Can I do to connect X32 to Computer with osx (mac) used x-usb to control remote midi in Cubase 7.5 ?I connect x32 to usb port but x32 don't send any midi message to Cubase. "Button Daw Remote" is Active. Please help….. ~:-(~:sad:

Hi Martin,

FWIW, I could never get MIDI to work over USB with my 2007 Macbook Pro and Pro Tools LE 8. I finally used a Midisport Uno to go from the MIDI ports on the x32 to USB and it worked instantly and flawlessly.

 

[Jay Ashworth]

Promoting destination to the DCAs

[ All comments based on 2.04 firmware that I'm not allowed to upgrade just now. ]

Sheriton's "route the same inputs to multiple channels" idea worked fine, since I had the available channels to pull it off; thanks dude.

Would be nice though if you could put things which weren't channel faders in a DCA group.

I also discovered while setting up today that on a Sends page, those meters are *what's on the destination now*, not -- as you would expect, *this channel's contribution to the send*; that is, they are post-summer, not pre. I'm not sure if that's counterintuitive, though it was to me; I *am* pretty sure it's not documented.

Other thoughts:

It would be nice if there was scribble space in output definitions to put *what you have it cabled to*; that would tie in nicely with my "Destinations" page in the Home screen, which would show all the places that a Channel, etc *goes to*.

I have never had more fun ringing out a room.

Either my room is *really* messy acoustically, or the pink noise generator is sloppy (or the RTA is sloppy, of course).

Sure would be nice if SendsTo worked on the matrices. "How do I get to this Matrix" is too hard a question to answer.

The Master Mute button should probably blink. Most boards don't *have* a mute on the master (except maybe the Mackie Break Switch, which puts the button somewhere different).

The board should do something smarter about tied faders when you grab more than one at the same time; sometimes you want to split them on the fly, and sometimes you just forgot. Fighting you is unproductive either way.

Am I the only person who thinks that if you're off on Routing or Metering or somewhere and you hit a channel Select button, it should go back Home?

EQ and lo cut should be different colors on the EQ displays.

Is mine the only board where the display glitches like that if you page left and right too fast?

And what about Naomi?

 

[Jay Ashworth]

Re: Promoting destination to the DCAs

Oh, and if you need older versions of X-Edit, you can just manually edit the URL; the older URLs are still valid.

 

[Pauly Mel]

Re: X32-Q for Android Now Available

G'day All,

Just in case anyone is wondering, controlling Cubase without using the firewire midi driver was as simple as making the following two adjustments -
1/ In Cubase, selecting the different midi ports.
2/ On the X32, config screen, selecting Midi ports for the remote.

And that is that - works like a charm.

Thanks
Pauly

Hey good point!
I just checked the confic screen and I reckon it'll be as simple as changing the remote midi to midi in/out from FireWire midi....and away we go.

ill see if I can try that over the weekend and let you know

thanks
pauly

 

[Kevin Maxwell]

Re: Promoting destination to the DCAs

[ All comments based on 2.04 firmware that I'm not allowed to upgrade just now. ]

SNIP>>>

I have never had more fun ringing out a room.

Either my room is *really* messy acoustically, or the pink noise generator is sloppy (or the RTA is sloppy, of course).

SNIP<<<

It is not a good idea to assume that pink noise from any source is flat. And using an RTA to tweak an EQ trying to get a sound system to be linear in a room with pink noise is also not a good idea. That is why people use a program like SMAART (FFT) that compares the input to the output. I looked at the pink noise generator output using SMAART and it is not flat. The RTA on the X32 is really handy to get a visual of what is happening but probably not the best tool to tune a system with.