X32 Discussion
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Re: X32 Discussion
and why Yamaha saves it's ongoing state on a more aggressive schedule.
But I digress.
and why Yamaha saves it's ongoing state on a more aggressive schedule.
But I digress.
Re: X32 Discussion
I don't know about the recent yamaha's but on the older ones everything was saved in a battery backed static ram. In the x32 (and presonus studiolive) it is stored in flash memory. Since flash memory wears out, you don't want to exhaust is with fast/many updates. There is a reason why the legacy studiolive consoles (saves a snapshot to flash every five seconds) crashes after approx three years...
Re: X32 Discussion
On the LS9 I noticed, that the console becomes unresponsive sometimes. The explanation I came up with: the LS9 might be busy with storing.
The three X32, I work on regularly, never behave this way, and because I was never bitten by the X32s saving behaviour, I prefer the solution the Behringer engineers came up with.
But now to something completely different:
I found a small bug regarding the oscillator, because recently used white noise to create a virtual snare bottom mike.
This was used for the opener and when we loaded the scene for the main act at change over, the oscillator went back to mix bus 1 ( default ), but was not switched off.
The white noise in monitor 1 was clearly noticable at FOH, so I was lucky. A 50-60Hz sine wave ( virtual sub kick ) might have continued unnoticed in the monitor, resulting in an unhappy musician.
Merry christmas
On the LS9 I noticed, that the console becomes unresponsive sometimes. The explanation I came up with: the LS9 might be busy with storing.
The three X32, I work on regularly, never behave this way, and because I was never bitten by the X32s saving behaviour, I prefer the solution the Behringer engineers came up with.
But now to something completely different:
I found a small bug regarding the oscillator, because recently used white noise to create a virtual snare bottom mike.
This was used for the opener and when we loaded the scene for the main act at change over, the oscillator went back to mix bus 1 ( default ), but was not switched off.
The white noise in monitor 1 was clearly noticable at FOH, so I was lucky. A 50-60Hz sine wave ( virtual sub kick ) might have continued unnoticed in the monitor, resulting in an unhappy musician.
Merry christmas
X-Edit on PC from internet and Mixing Station from tablet at the same time?
Hi.
A friend of mine wants to do this, is it possible?
An M32C controlled locally by Mixing Station on a tablet, and the M32C also able to be controlled remotely by him from home over the internet, using X-Edit on a PC. Can it be done so that either method of control is available at any time?
Thanks,
Mick.
Hi.
A friend of mine wants to do this, is it possible?
An M32C controlled locally by Mixing Station on a tablet, and the M32C also able to be controlled remotely by him from home over the internet, using X-Edit on a PC. Can it be done so that either method of control is available at any time?
Thanks,
Mick.
Re: X-Edit on PC from internet and Mixing Station from tablet at the same time?
Hi guys!
Need some advice here. We had donw some nice rewire and will update our filmware for our x32. A question is will it disturb our current s16? Or s16 need to update too to work fine?
Thanks!!
Hi guys!
Need some advice here. We had donw some nice rewire and will update our filmware for our x32. A question is will it disturb our current s16? Or s16 need to update too to work fine?
Thanks!!
Re: X-Edit on PC from internet and Mixing Station from tablet at the same time?
Updating the firmware on the desk does not effect the operation of the S16 boxes.
Updating the firmware on the desk does not effect the operation of the S16 boxes.
Re: X-Edit on PC from internet and Mixing Station from tablet at the same time?
Depending on how old your S16 is there might be a firmware update for them. But I don’t remember what changed and what the implications are of changing it or not.
see S16 firmware download here you need to download it to your computer to read the update notes.
http://www.music-group.com/Categories/Behringer/Mixers/I-O-Interfaces/S16/p/P0AJA/downloads
Depending on how old your S16 is there might be a firmware update for them. But I don’t remember what changed and what the implications are of changing it or not.
see S16 firmware download here you need to download it to your computer to read the update notes.
http://www.music-group.com/Categories/Behringer/Mixers/I-O-Interfaces/S16/p/P0AJA/downloads
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Re: X-Edit on PC from internet and Mixing Station from tablet at the same time?
Using remote desktop it's always possible...
Using remote desktop it's always possible...
Re: X-Edit on PC from internet and Mixing Station from tablet at the same time?
Thanks,
Mick Berg.
Please don't hijack my topic. Put in a new title for a different topic.
Thanks,
Mick Berg.
Re: X-Edit on PC from internet and Mixing Station from tablet at the same time?
When you do a quick reply (on the website), you don't get the option. Far as I knew, yours was the first change to the topic of this thread that's now 552 pages deep (may have been others, but the posts just above your still says "X32 Discussion").
When you do a quick reply (on the website), you don't get the option. Far as I knew, yours was the first change to the topic of this thread that's now 552 pages deep (may have been others, but the posts just above your still says "X32 Discussion").
Re: X-Edit on PC from internet and Mixing Station from tablet at the same time?
Sorry mate. Didnt do it on purpose. Thousand apologize.
Best regards
Alfred
Sorry mate. Didnt do it on purpose. Thousand apologize.
Best regards
Alfred
Re: X-Edit on PC from internet and Mixing Station from tablet at the same time?
Mitch, that's not the norm. We can bring sanity to this monster thread by giving new topics their own title.
Mick
No problem squire. I guess I was a bit.disappointed that I didn't get much interest in my topic.
Mitch, that's not the norm. We can bring sanity to this monster thread by giving new topics their own title.
Mick
Re: X-Edit on PC from internet and Mixing Station from tablet at the same time?
When you use e.g. dante on the x32 the dante master clock becomes the master clock for the x32 as well, so you are essentially slaving x32 to dante. But since dante allows for a slightly wider clock deviation than supermac did on the s16, which is in turn slaved of the x32, it could potentially loose sync...
The s16 firmware update dealt with clock syncing when several clock sources were involved.
When you use e.g. dante on the x32 the dante master clock becomes the master clock for the x32 as well, so you are essentially slaving x32 to dante. But since dante allows for a slightly wider clock deviation than supermac did on the s16, which is in turn slaved of the x32, it could potentially loose sync...
Routing question
I have a routing question for using two consoles. The 'why' is probably too long and would just confuse the question (as if the question probably won't get confused in the first place!
).....
I have a baseline configuration for FOH/MON setup via AES50 which has the XLR outs of the MON console set as *13,*14*,*15, *16 (AES50 A). So the FOH outputs are physically at 13, 14, 15, and 16 outputs on the MON console. All of this works fine.
The other day I had a need for 2 consoles on two stages where essentially it would work like that mon/foh setup BUT ALSO needed the two consoles to send a feed to each other's outputs (the two stages weren't live at the same time but would alternate).
I could physically do feeds via balanced lines but I was curious if it could be done via AES50 and I never could get that to work. I don't know if it's just not physically possible, or if I did something wrong in the two ways I tried.
In one way Console A was setup with XLR outputs *13,*14*,*15, *16 (AES50 A) while console B was setup with *9,*10*,*11, *12 (AES50 A).
Then console A had mixbus 11 assigned to both output *15 as well as output 11.
Then console B had mixbus 11 assigned to both output *11 as well as output 15.
The idea being when stage A was live it would feed a fill mix to local output 11 and then send that same mix to output from console B out of output 11 on the B console via AES50.
Then when stage B was live that console would feed a fill mix from local output 15 as well as send via AES50 a signal to output from output 15 of console A.
I also tried a couple variants of that (including splitting outputs).
I could always send to the mains just fine, but I could never get the the feeds going both ways for the fills that were needed. I did get it to work one way and not the other.
Probably a better way to explain the concept to something a bit more normal with only a slight twist would be to imagine you had a FOH/MON setup going with AES50. The mon console is not physically connected to XLR outputs 13-16 (so you see asterisks in the routing page) so that FOH outputs feed the mains thru the mon console. Now, for whatever reason, you have a powered speaker at FOH that the mon engineer wants to send a singal to you to output from the FOH console... sent from the mon console. So then, how would you do that? Can you do that?
What it ultimately seemed to me like was I couldn't have both consoles functioning with a set of outputs not physically on the console (even though they were a different set of outputs on each console). It acted like only one console would allow for that. But if that is the case, how was it that it was always the 13, 14, 15, 16 outputs that worked properly rather than the consoles just getting confused? Which leads me to think maybe I missed something....
I have a routing question for using two consoles. The 'why' is probably too long and would just confuse the question (as if the question probably won't get confused in the first place!
).....I have a baseline configuration for FOH/MON setup via AES50 which has the XLR outs of the MON console set as *13,*14*,*15, *16 (AES50 A). So the FOH outputs are physically at 13, 14, 15, and 16 outputs on the MON console. All of this works fine.
The other day I had a need for 2 consoles on two stages where essentially it would work like that mon/foh setup BUT ALSO needed the two consoles to send a feed to each other's outputs (the two stages weren't live at the same time but would alternate).
I could physically do feeds via balanced lines but I was curious if it could be done via AES50 and I never could get that to work. I don't know if it's just not physically possible, or if I did something wrong in the two ways I tried.
In one way Console A was setup with XLR outputs *13,*14*,*15, *16 (AES50 A) while console B was setup with *9,*10*,*11, *12 (AES50 A).
Then console A had mixbus 11 assigned to both output *15 as well as output 11.
Then console B had mixbus 11 assigned to both output *11 as well as output 15.
The idea being when stage A was live it would feed a fill mix to local output 11 and then send that same mix to output from console B out of output 11 on the B console via AES50.
Then when stage B was live that console would feed a fill mix from local output 15 as well as send via AES50 a signal to output from output 15 of console A.
I also tried a couple variants of that (including splitting outputs).
I could always send to the mains just fine, but I could never get the the feeds going both ways for the fills that were needed. I did get it to work one way and not the other.
Probably a better way to explain the concept to something a bit more normal with only a slight twist would be to imagine you had a FOH/MON setup going with AES50. The mon console is not physically connected to XLR outputs 13-16 (so you see asterisks in the routing page) so that FOH outputs feed the mains thru the mon console. Now, for whatever reason, you have a powered speaker at FOH that the mon engineer wants to send a singal to you to output from the FOH console... sent from the mon console. So then, how would you do that? Can you do that?
What it ultimately seemed to me like was I couldn't have both consoles functioning with a set of outputs not physically on the console (even though they were a different set of outputs on each console). It acted like only one console would allow for that. But if that is the case, how was it that it was always the 13, 14, 15, 16 outputs that worked properly rather than the consoles just getting confused? Which leads me to think maybe I missed something....
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Re: X-Edit on PC from internet and Mixing Station from tablet at the same time?
I would do this using a screenshare program like TeamViewer to control a local computer using M32-Edit locally connected to the mixer. You can of course still use Mixing Station at the same time. I do this regularly to control various devices at a Master Control Station in DC for a client of mine. It really works quite well and is very simple to set up.
You might be able to make the networking work to actually control it from home, but it would be complicated and probably involve some sort or VNC or the like. I do know i controlled several M32s on a job recently via a Fiber network that was spread between several building in downtown SF. But that was still just a LAN as far as the networking was concerned so still pretty simple.
One other note. Being able to hear any of the audio from the remote location will also be quite tricky to implement. But if all you are attempting is control, TeamViewer or something similar will work fine.
I would do this using a screenshare program like TeamViewer to control a local computer using M32-Edit locally connected to the mixer. You can of course still use Mixing Station at the same time. I do this regularly to control various devices at a Master Control Station in DC for a client of mine. It really works quite well and is very simple to set up.
You might be able to make the networking work to actually control it from home, but it would be complicated and probably involve some sort or VNC or the like. I do know i controlled several M32s on a job recently via a Fiber network that was spread between several building in downtown SF. But that was still just a LAN as far as the networking was concerned so still pretty simple.
One other note. Being able to hear any of the audio from the remote location will also be quite tricky to implement. But if all you are attempting is control, TeamViewer or something similar will work fine.
Re: Routing question
Yeah Alan, you're gonna have to draw me a picture... Lol. The question is really confusing... But from what I'm getting , two stages, and you want a feed from each stage to play to the other, while a specific one is "live" and the other isn't? And visa versa
Yeah Alan, you're gonna have to draw me a picture... Lol. The question is really confusing... But from what I'm getting , two stages, and you want a feed from each stage to play to the other, while a specific one is "live" and the other isn't? And visa versa
Re: X32 Discussion
After using the X32 rack for a while now (love it!!!) I've determined the slow communications / hang-ups between xedit and the console I am experiencing only seem to happen after the metering page is selected in xedit. Apparently there is a large amount of data being exchanged when the meter screen is shown, vs other screens. This must be choking the laptop and causing the hang-ups. 8O~8-O~:shock:
After using the X32 rack for a while now (love it!!!) I've determined the slow communications / hang-ups between xedit and the console I am experiencing only seem to happen after the metering page is selected in xedit. Apparently there is a large amount of data being exchanged when the meter screen is shown, vs other screens. This must be choking the laptop and causing the hang-ups. 8O~8-O~:shock:
Dante
I made the jump and ordered AKG DMS800 series wireless. These come standard with a dante interface.
I do mainly use my X32 rack with a laptop connected to USB for multitracking, and would love to add a second laptop for backup.
Say I order the X32 dante interface, can I connect all (2 channels wireless, multitrack laptop 1, backup multitrack laptop 2) to the X32?
Do I need to pay for (dante) licenses or whatever to get it working?
I understand that the maximum I can get into the X32 is 32 channels, but is it easy to swap output channels from 1 laptop to the other?
I made the jump and ordered AKG DMS800 series wireless. These come standard with a dante interface.
I do mainly use my X32 rack with a laptop connected to USB for multitracking, and would love to add a second laptop for backup.
Say I order the X32 dante interface, can I connect all (2 channels wireless, multitrack laptop 1, backup multitrack laptop 2) to the X32?
Do I need to pay for (dante) licenses or whatever to get it working?
I understand that the maximum I can get into the X32 is 32 channels, but is it easy to swap output channels from 1 laptop to the other?
