X32 Discussion

re: X32 Discussion

No, i just looked in the Xcontrol software. You just have one set of 16 channel for all.
That was actually what i was asking.

If I am not mistaken, the S16 in default mode sends channel 33-48 to the ultranet, so with two S-16 and a X32 you can have three different sets of Ultranet channels as long as you connect the S-16s separately to the X32, one on A and one on B
 
re: X32 Discussion

If I am not mistaken, the S16 in default mode sends channel 33-48 to the ultranet,

That's correct, however it's the same set of 16 channel which you already assigned in the tab 'P16 out' in the Routing Menu.

When you were right where should you assign the 2nd and 3rd set of the other 2 P16 systems then?
I'm also wondering if this could be added with a firmware fix, i doubt it though.
 
re: X32 Discussion

12dB channel low cut is very often not enough to remove unwanted stage wash, AFAIK Digico offers the same slope on channel low cut ( 24dB )

For the buses :)~:)~:smile: you are right IMO, 12dB is not much for crossover use, but you can work around this by sending L/R and M through 3 Matrix channels, which will give you two cascaded 6 band EQ sections.
The second order cut filters are Butterworth, so two of them set to the same corner frequency will give you a 4th order Linkwitz-Riley.
If you prefer a 4th order BW filter, add a third filter in PEQ mode ( not VEQ ) set to the same frequency and boost 3dB with Q=1.2 ( the Q might not translate to other consoles, I found this value by try and error, reference was the virtual crossover in my Systune )

Uwe

I like the steep low cut, it really makes a difference.

Why are you suggesting running thru' matrix instead of just using two bands in the same eq set to the same slope and frequency? I'm not that updated on digital filter design, but aren't the filters in most applications cascaded anyway?

And now for the total ignorance question unless the previous one falls into that category; what is VEQ? Is it a different Q definition
 
re: X32 Discussion

That's correct, however it's the same set of 16 channel which you already assigned in the tab 'P16 out' in the Routing Menu.

When you were right where should you assign the 2nd and 3rd set of the other 2 P16 systems then?
I'm also wondering if this could be added with a firmware fix, i doubt it though.
Hmm, are you sure? I haven't noticed that P16 assignments and AES50 assignments are linked, do they link up when an S-16 is connected?
 
re: X32 Discussion

Regarding 96KHz or any other feature we might request, I doubt if Uli will pull resources from more important or urgent matters to fulfill requests for features if it doesn't make good business sense to fulfill these requests.
Not everything we request have to be implemented by next friday, and I'm sure the development team can manage their priorities between bug fixes, planned features, development of new products and fullfilling feature requests.
 
re: X32 Discussion

So I just had my X32 running midi CC to my pc allowing me to run a few programs. I have a sound cue/audio player that I thought had midi in, it did not. So I found a program that takes midi in and turns it in to keystrokes called Bome's Midi translator. This sent the keystrokes to Multiplay so I could trigger audio clips or sound effects. Bome's also has the ability to act as a midi through which I routed it to a program called rtpmidi so I could control my ipad over wifi running a lighting app called Luminair. I was able to use the faders on the X32 to control faders in Luminair. So now I can either use the remote button or some user assignable buttons and now run all my sound, music, and lights for simple shows with the X32. Awesome!
 
re: X32 Discussion

I have been using the latest beta of the upcoming Version 2 XiControl iPad app for the X32 and thought I’d share it with you on this forum.

Since we released Version 1 some weeks ago, many of you have asked about added functionality including effects processing and other control from the iPad app. While we are not ready to release V2 just yet and it will take some more months, the following screen shot will give you some idea of where we’re going with XiControl.
We're also currently developing a very cool iPhone Personal Monitor Mix app. As mentioned earlier, this is just the beginning of a series of revolutionary products surrounding the X32 and all other consoles to follow.

Of course this is all pre-release and completely against the advice of our software team so keep it between us; I wouldn’t want to get in trouble.:)

Uli

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I'd like to see a "Long Fader" view in the XiControl app like the LS9 software has.
 
re: X32 Discussion

Thank you for all your comments and suggestions.

In the interest of efficiency please allow me to clarify several topics in this one post:

96 kHz

This is a very interesting topic and one which receives plenty of discussion among our various digital engineering teams. Without taking sides in the debate over whether the differences are audible or even necessary in a live sound application, allow me to say that we have made a conscious decision to deliver the X32 with 44.1/48 kHz sample rates. As I have stated before, our goal with the X32 was to deliver a console that meets the real-world needs of the target customer and there are several reasons why that excludes a 96 kHz sample rate.

Most fundamental is the fact that as the sample rate doubles, so does the channel count drop by half. Of course we could add more DSP to maintain the channel count at the higher sample rate, but then the console would likely cost considerably more. Our job is to balance the feature set (channel count) and performance (sample rate) with a cost that makes sense for our customers. While we don’t count it out as a future possibility I would point people to the MIDAS Pro1 as an immediate alternative if they need the higher sample rate.

Why is the X32 so affordable?

This is such an important question because there is a lingering perception that we must somehow be cutting corners to reduce cost. I have seen people claim that we must be using poor quality parts, not following quality control processes or somehow designing in obsolescence. While I can tell you that this is absolutely not the case, it may be best if I offer some insights into our business model to explain.

There are four fundamental elements that comprise the selling price of our products; materials, labor, overhead and profit. Achieving low prices and delivering great value for our customers requires great discipline and hard work in each of these areas. It is my responsibility as the CEO to set the pace and ensure that we reduce costs while always increasing quality; because without quality, we cannot maintain low costs.

We reduce the cost of raw materials in two ways; first, we buy direct from manufacturers and not through a second source, distributor or contract manufacturer. Second, we buy in enormous quantities and leverage this volume in negotiating lower prices. Of course owning the factory where we build our products allows us to cut out at least 30% of the margin demanded by contract manufacturers who are supplying some of our competitors.

Consider that we buy our A/D and D/A converters from Cirrus Logic; the same parts (CS5368 and CS4385) that you will find in a $200k console; we encourage anyone interested to look further into this. We have also been told that we are the single largest Cirrus Logic customer behind only Apple! You will find similar examples with Analog Devices, makers of the SHARC DSPs that we use or Mabuchi, who make the motors for our motor-faders (and those of Penny & Giles, Alps etc.) and the list goes on. We are buying the very best parts, from the very best manufacturers, direct and in huge quantities. That means we pay the lowest possible prices.

Likewise we have two major ways in which we reduce the cost of labor to build our products. First, we own the factory and this means we are paying workers directly and not through a third party that is making a markup. Again, this results in up to 35% savings. Second, we have invested in massive amount of automation to a far greater extent than many in China in order to reduce cost while increasing quality.

This past year for example we converted the placement of electrolytic capacitors from hand-insertion to full automation. Each of the machines that now place e-caps in rapid-fire succession cost over $500k US so the savings in cost will take some time to be realized. But we have seen an immediate improvement in first-pass yield by eliminating the chance of human error, and that is both improving quality and reducing the cost of re-work.

We run our company with a very low overhead relative to some competitors, and we do this not by cutting corners but rather by working smarter. First off we invest heavily in systems that improve productivity and reduce redundancy. For example our engineering management software Agile talks to our website content management system so when we enter a product’s specifications we do it once and it is automatically replicated across several departments and is immediately posted to the web. Or take our service manuals which are created automatically, in real-time and with the very latest schematics, parts lists and engineering changes - all available through an on-line portal.

Another way we reduce overhead is by re-investing profits in our company to purchase machinery, land and buildings. For example we have purchased new buildings in Manchester, UK and Las Vegas, USA in the past year. We have also purchased land and we are building a $60 million state-of-the-art campus to contain a new factory, research center, logistics hub and residential village in China. These investments not only give us greater control over quality and production but they also reduce our operating costs over the long term.

Finally it is important to know that we operate on what would be considered to be a slim margin by industry standards. While some manufacturers price their products according to what they think the market will accept, we do it very differently. We calculate our costs and add a fair markup that will allow us to continue to grow our business and nothing more. Again, we have all seen strategies where manufacturers release new products at high prices only to reduce them as other competitors come into the market. We prefer to offer a fair price from the beginning and not play such games.

The reality of our company is that we are a highly efficient organization of 3,500 people including over 250 engineers and in-house manufacturing. We build up to 5 million products a year and consequently buy parts at the lowest possible cost. Plus, our quality is among the best in the world, with a defect rate of well under 0.7%, allowing us the confidence to offer a 3-year warranty.

Yes, we are a very different kind of company, we want to be different and I am immensely proud of our team.

X32 Manual

I have been asked why we did not issue a full manual when the console first shipped and when it can be expected to become ready. The truth is that we prepared a full manual and decided at the last moment not to release it as we felt it was too long and too complicated. So we set about rewriting the manual and including more illustrations and less text. The new manual should be posted online in the next couple of days but expect it to expand as we roll out new features and implement updates.

Generation 2 Firmware

Since the X32 has first become available we have received tremendous feedback and many suggestions for new features. While many of these suggestions reflect personal preferences we are open to hearing any and all ideas and promise to consider each of them for future revisions. We are already planning the future addition of dedicated function lockouts, which is one of the suggestions we heard from several of you.

One of the most exciting new features that we are planning for the X32 is the inclusion of high-end FX “plug-ins” based on physical modeling of classic audio hardware. Our algorithm development engineers are essentially “rebuilding” classics from Neve, SSL, UREI and others into effects that will be included on the X32. Well-known and loved gear such as the LA-2A compressor, Lexicon reverbs, an SPL De-Esser and even the TC Finalizer multi-band compressor are on our list.

We are also working on some pretty amazing pitch shifting and pitch correction tools for the X32. Imagine pitch correction on every console and the power of what that will allow you to do in a live or recording environment. The best part is that these effects will be made available as part of a regular firmware update and hence will be free of charge to X32 owners! Our goal is to make the X32 a living platform for constant expansion and improvement.

No company is perfect, but rest assured that all of our people are working very hard to constantly improve your Customer Experience, the quality of our products and service in every possible way.

Allow me to thank you again for all your support in all these 23 years.

Warm regards

Uli
 
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re: X32 Discussion

Think about the X32 itself. If you're in pro audio to make your living, then it only makes sense to buy the X32 if you can make at least $2900 more with the X32 than you could without it. Otherwise it's not good business.

That's not quite true.

If you need the board to do a £1,000.00 paying gig and you can buy it for one price and sell it for less than a £1,000.00 loss, then it's worth it. The price of equipment is fairly irrelevent to a business. It's only the cost of ownership that's relevant to the business.

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Re: Thon case for x32

is there enough ventilation with this case, I noticed the fan is under the mixer?

there is plenty of room below the mixer the foam only is on both sides of de mixer air can flow from the front of the mixer and on the backside thru the doghouse

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re: X32 Discussion

Hi all,

Yesterday we had a fantastic day in Germany visiting Christian and the Behringer R&D team!

Did we have some difficult questions for them? No, because I think the board and the UI are well developped.

At Christians warehouse my travelling mate Sietse saw the board for the first time and was impressed. We talked about routing options, IEM setups, wedge setups, DCA´s, subgroups and so on.

At the Behringer RD team, I had one question concerning the UI, especlially the scene storing menu.
When fi. you look at the routing for the talkback mic, you have to select where the routing goes. So you have to tick the box.
When saving scenes, you do not have to select anything, everything is stored if you do not select an item. I thought this was counter intuitif.
Well, Dr. Thomas Zindt, kindly explained to me that it is in the spelling. The option is called "scene safe". If you tick a box, you put that item in the saFe, you don't saVe that item! Aha, so my English (as a dutchman) is refreshed again a bit.

Concerning the Android remote app, we were told that one of the eningineers will soon be starting developing this app. The difficulty with this app is that, in contrary to Apple devices, there are a lot of different devices available with all their idiosyncraties. Take only for instance screenresolutions etc. . So to develop such an app, everything has to be tested thoroughly and takes time.

We were quickly demonstrated how to use the X32 as a monitor mix board, an option I just tried for half an hour to find again, couldn't find it..... ( my fault, it's there!)

We talked about the preamps. We all concluded that this part of a mixer can be very overrated. The preamps used in a X32 have a roundening curve when you overcook it. So it's sounding better than a standard preamp.

In the room there is a "Naked X32". All parts lying on a board and connected and working for testing and measuring purposes.

The building we visited was where it all began for Behringer. This site is also the birthroom of the X32.

I would like to say a very big "Thank You" to Christian in the first place. Getting stuck with two guys from Holland on a voluntary basis is quite a challenge!
You probably like Christian because of his involvement in this board. But if you are ever to meet him you'll love him for his enthusiastic conversations, explanations and silly stories!

A big Thank You for all the people at Behringer R&D for receiving us, showing us the building and patiently answering our questions, even stupid ones....;-)
All in all we had a great time!

Greetings from Holland! Douwe Jan Pol
 
Re: Thon case for x32

that was also my concern, so the guy building my case (SAFECASE | Your one stop source for the best in quality custom ATA cases) suggested having the mixer sit on a board and not directly on the bottom foam. He said a lot of the cases he builds with a doghouse are like that.
I'm very happy with the way mine came out
Nice case.
For ventilation, cutting an adequate channel in the foam is generally all it takes, and a lot of cases doesn't even have foam other than at the support points, which in my opinion is the best solution because it provides ventilation for the chassis and thus reduce the need the need for the fan to run at all.
 
Questions on operation of the X32

In reviewing the full manual, I have a couple of questions

1. If the inputs to the mixer is in blocks of 8, does that mean you can't assign channel 1 input to channel 11 and input 2 to channel 2? Can someone explain the blocks of 8 concept.

2. On page 10 of the manual it says the first 32 input signals are pre configured to the first 32 input signals but can be patched to use any other available signal on the audio engine as well. Changes of the channels source can be made on the preamp config page. Does that mean you can route the input channel to another channel? It looks like if your on chan 1, you can change the source to any channel on the mixer. Thereby making channel 1 input of the mixer go to channel 15 on the mixer if you want?

3. On page 10 of the manual is shows Ch01 on the left side. But then to the right it says 01 as well. It says that 01 regardless of what channel your on. What does the 01 (above the home tab) represent?

4. Regarding the effects let me see if I understand this. You can assign 8 different effects to each channel since FX1-4 and FX5-8 both can be insert effects, while FX1-4 is only for side chain. This meaning you could add a reverb as a side chain and any channel can then select this reverb to be added to it's signal?

5. USB Recorder: Can you save your settings of faders and effects on the internal memory or should you use the USB Recorder instead?

6. It looks like for each channel on the channel strip you can assign it to a mono bus or stereo bus?

7. With no line in's on the X32, I will need a couple of DI boxes. How decent are the Behringer boxes (Not sure if the active is better than the passive...plus worrying about the battery)? I have a Radial direct box which I know is pretty good. Not sure how much of a difference there would be for pluging in keyboards to the mixer. Another perhaps eaiser option is to have a cable with quarter inch on one side and XLR on the othe if possible.
 
Re: Questions on operation of the X32

In reviewing the full manual, I have a couple of questions

1. If the inputs to the mixer is in blocks of 8, does that mean you can't assign channel 1 input to channel 11 and input 2 to channel 2? Can someone explain the blocks of 8 concept..

correct me if I'm wrong labsters - the blocks of 8 is simply hos the boards are manufactured for replacement etc, it has nothing to do with the routing - you can take ch 1 input, and route it to any other channel - I watched a guy on youtube ( which is something you could check out for most of this information) route ch 1 to ch 2, and add heavy compression to it etc...


2. On page 10 of the manual it says the first 32 input signals are pre configured to the first 32 input signals but can be patched to use any other available signal on the audio engine as well. Changes of the channels source can be made on the preamp config page. Does that mean you can route the input channel to another channel? It looks like if your on chan 1, you can change the source to any channel on the mixer. Thereby making channel 1 input of the mixer go to channel 15 on the mixer if you want?
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See response to question 1

5. USB Recorder: Can you save your settings of faders and effects on the internal memory or should you use the USB Recorder instead?
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I believe you can save 100 scenes on the console without having to use a USB key...

7. With no line in's on the X32, I will need a couple of DI boxes. How decent are the Behringer boxes (Not sure if the active is better than the passive...plus worrying about the battery)?
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that's what phantom power is for = no battery
perhaps eaiser option is to have a cable with quarter inch on one side and XLR on the othe if possible.

Don't do that either....
buy a di, (if active use the phantom power on that channel) plug the keyboard into that, and then xlr into the mixer....