X32 Discussion

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I'll jump in and answer because I think both Christian and Uli are busy tonight.
When providing for personal mixes, it is quite usual to provide submixes along with a select set of single channels.
Ex: You could send the main mix LR, the drum submix LR, the choir submix LR, the rest of the band submix LR along with bass, guitar 1, guitar 2, keyboard LR, vocal 1, vocal 2, vocal 3 for a total of 16 channels.
Any can be assigned from pre- or post.
Any available signal can be patched to the P16.

Most of the time the individual performers don't need to, and don't want to perform a whole mix, they are there to perform, not mix after all.
Most of the time a general mix where they can add a bit extra of their own instrument and the instrument(s) they interact closely with is all they want or need.
 
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Christian Boche said:
Every channel can directly assigned to the Mains and the Mono out with the Mains Buss buttons and PAN encoder, left next to the Main LCD.
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Think I finally realised now!!!!
You send to the Mono Bus with the rotary encoder just like a post fader aux send, and the mono channel is independent from the stereo Main. So you can use the Mono for "aux fed" subwoofers and have all volumes controlled by the master fader.

Now, for this to be really useful for "aux fed" sub use, EQ and filters needs to be independant. Can the mono channel have independent EQ and HPF/LPF?
 
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I have the X32 in for review and am finding it pretty impressive, no manual as yet though, and I'm thinking there must be a few shortcuts to bussing and subgroup setup? Kind of like you can do with DCA assignments.

It seems rather slow and cumbersome to have to dial in the send amount on each buss and easy to over/under shoot the 0dB. I am pretty sure I am missing something though as the rest of it does seem pretty intuitive.

Thanks

Nick
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And still waiting for the PC Editor and iPad app.....

Uli Behringer said:
X32 User Manual

Dear all,

the User Manual is now online.

http://www.behringer.com/assets/X32_P0ASF_M_EN.pdf

Please note that this is a preliminary version as we are planning to add much more content and especially screen shots over the next weeks.

We have been learning a lot from you here in this forum and we're now gathering all this valuable input and will combine it with the feedback we're expecting to come in from X32 users.

Our goal is to make this Manual a "Living Document" and we hence suggest that you to check for updates on a regular base.

Please also visit our Behringer Forum where you will find a great community and competent people who are more than happy to answer your questions.

BEHRINGER • Index page

And last but not least, we like to thank all of you and especially Christian for all the great feedback as this helps us tremendously to continue to improve the X32 Digital Mixer and the User Manual.

Thank You!
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Yesterday I could not resist anymore, and ordered myself the X32. :)~:-)~:smile:
My Yamaha 01V96VCM has served me well, but the pro`s are so many with the X32 I had to have one.

Those of you who have ordered the X32, when will your`s arrive?
Mine wont get here until late october...
Per, did you get the same delivery date from Thomann?
 
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No, I'm one of the lucky ones that took the plunge in time to make the first delivery in about a fortnight or less.
That could possibly make me the first in Norway, so I might take it on a tour of Norway and charge people a hefty fee to view it. I was thinking maybe 200 kr/€25 for 5 minutes :lol:
 
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About DAW mode...I really really think it's such a waste to just have the DCA faders for control. Why can't we use EVERY fader, like a Mackie Control + Extender setup? That is what I have now, and I'd love to replace it. Also, I know others have downplayed 96k, but when it comes to plugin processing, 96k sounds noticeably better, and lower latency as well. For recording I would love a 96k mode, even with half the channels. Not that Behringer will have trouble selling this board (already oredered mine a month ago) but these two features could be implemented with only software, and would make the board even better. A Mackie Control + Extender setup is going to cost $2k anyway....why not have a full digital mixer and interface to boot?
 
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Per Søvik said:
No, I'm one of the lucky ones that took the plunge in time to make the first delivery in about a fortnight or less.
That could possibly make me the first in Norway, so I might take it on a tour of Norway and charge people a hefty fee to view it. I was thinking maybe 200 kr/€25 for 5 minutes :lol:
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Ehm.. Where exactly do you live? :roll:
 
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Joshua Bessom said:
About DAW mode...I really really think it's such a waste to just have the DCA faders for control. Why can't we use EVERY fader, like a Mackie Control + Extender setup? That is what I have now, and I'd love to replace it. Also, I know others have downplayed 96k, but when it comes to plugin processing, 96k sounds noticeably better, and lower latency as well. For recording I would love a 96k mode, even with half the channels. Not that Behringer will have trouble selling this board (already oredered mine a month ago) but these two features could be implemented with only software, and would make the board even better. A Mackie Control + Extender setup is going to cost $2k anyway....why not have a full digital mixer and interface to boot?
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Totally agree. I don't buy the argument that it is not worth it to sacrifice half the channels, how often does anybody record more than 16 channels simultaniously in a studio setting? Even if there is not enough firmware memory to have both implementations residing on the board, many users would happily perform a firmware update each time there was a need to change rates. S16 would of course need an update as well to be able to perform as a 96K-8in-4out device, but unless there is something hardwired in the AES50 interface, it should most likely be possible. Who knows, the S16 might even have enough AD/DA chips onboard to do 96K-16in-8out.

Allthough this is pure speculation on my behalf, I believe that the mixer will output all movements as continous controllers, which can be patched to the DAW. It might take a midi routing and processing plugin to do so, and of course doing the patchwork and building a template in the DAW, but it should be quite possible.
 
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Per Søvik said:
Allthough this is pure speculation on my behalf, I believe that the mixer will output all movements as continous controllers, which can be patched to the DAW. It might take a midi routing and processing plugin to do so, and of course doing the patchwork and building a template in the DAW, but it should be quite possible.
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True, but if you're using the board as an interface as well you'd be riding levels the whole time you're adjusting the DAW, something you certainly don't want to do! DAW mode looks like it keeps the input channels live, and just switches the buss side over to daw control. Best solution wound be for Behringer to just expand DAW mode so it emulates a Mackie Control + extender, or even 2 extenders to use all 25 channels. The input channels don't need to stay live as they do now, since a simple button push returns you to regular mixer mode. Tracking = mixer mode, mix = daw mode. Also hoping daw mode uses scribble strips and encoders for visual feedback, pan control, etc....how a real Mackie Control does.
 
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Joshua Bessom said:
True, but if you're using the board as an interface as well you'd be riding levels the whole time you're adjusting the DAW, something you certainly don't want to do! DAW mode looks like it keeps the input channels live, and just switches the buss side over to daw control. Best solution wound be for Behringer to just expand DAW mode so it emulates a Mackie Control + extender, or even 2 extenders to use all 25 channels. The input channels don't need to stay live as they do now, since a simple button push returns you to regular mixer mode. Tracking = mixer mode, mix = daw mode. Also hoping daw mode uses scribble strips and encoders for visual feedback, pan control, etc....how a real Mackie Control does.
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Certainly, a full Mackie +2 emulation would not go amiss, or a C|24 emulation and there is no reason we can't have a Behringer X32 controller setting with X32 DAW templates as well, any standard is just a matter of building a template for the various DAWs.

I don't really see the problem with riding faders while recording. You either set up to record pre fader and use the faders for monitoring and if you wish;a first draft controller recording, or you don't record the controller at all during recording. Riding faders for recording level control, I didn't think anybody did that anymore, and if you wish to, you obviously can, it's all in the patching.
During mixdown, depending on where you want to process, you either use the board as a controller and main output interface, or you route the signals through the board faders only recording movements in the DAW, letting the signal bypass the DAW faders.
 
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Hello

This feels again same as in the 50-s, when waiting for X-mas. I ordered X32 and two stageboxes 6 weeks ago. I am supposed to be #45 or so in Thomann - they ordered 200. Today they told me the expacted elivery is at 10th August or so.

Anyway - Thank you Christian and Uli - thank you all members providing good questions for both of them.


Now I think I have pretty good idea of most possibilities.
The P16-M system can obviously derive its 16 inputs from any channels or groups as wished.
The 16 Outputs include L+R+ mono ( if in use ) + groups - what about effect sends ????
I will need L+R front, L+R rear + mono + 6xmonitor = 11 - plus preferably couple stereo groups inside mixer for P16-M system

And now the "nice" question - I work with a band who plays Pink Floyd VERY WELL - so obviously I need quadrafonic PA.....
I do have external set of joysticks with four returns - input to joysticks is obviously of the 16 outputs ( XLR or AUX - I think 16 out is total max )
Of course I wish to alter the source of joysticks - SO - is it possible to use the programmable switces to change the routing of a channel from LR to Joystick feed and back with just one push without further actions?

This way I could prepare for songs and at right moment just hit one switch without having to go to channel and reroute there between main mix and joystick feed.


Muikkuinen
 
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I think in the scenario you listed the pre-fade way would be fine, if that's an option...to take the firewire output pre-fade. Not sure it is. I still think Behringer implementing Mackie +2 would be the easiest, best way. Daw mode is daw control on all faders for mixing, writing automation etc, press a button and you're back to setting record levels with gain and faders.
 
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It would really be great if you could choose between 2 modes of operation in the X32: a) live mixing; b) studio recording.

The 'live mixing' mode would have the features it already has basically, but the studio recording mode would utilize the dsp/processors for making:
a) option to record in 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96khz (even with reduced channel count on higher bit rates);
b) basic fx only (for monitoring with reverb, for example);
c) all faders available in Mackie Universal Controller mode;
d) dedicated buttons and knobs already assigned to most used daw functions (loading a differente 'scene' for each one of the common daws);
e) better integration with specific daws, like using the 'control room' feature in cubase/nuendo.

Even a specific firmware for the recording studio would be great if that's the only way of doing it.

A dedicated 24 fader (or more) fader box with lcd scribbles etc also would be great and would cost less than a x32.
 
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Nuuska said:
Hello

This feels again same as in the 50-s, when waiting for X-mas. I ordered X32 and two stageboxes 6 weeks ago. I am supposed to be #45 or so in Thomann - they ordered 200. Today they told me the expacted elivery is at 10th August or so.

Muikkuinen
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Was expected delivery 10th August for X32 and S16?

Christian and Uli - thank you for all information. It feels like I got good knowledge of X32 without reading one letter in the manual.
 
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Joshua Bessom said:
I think in the scenario you listed the pre-fade way would be fine, if that's an option...to take the firewire output pre-fade. Not sure it is. I still think Behringer implementing Mackie +2 would be the easiest, best way. Daw mode is daw control on all faders for mixing, writing automation etc, press a button and you're back to setting record levels with gain and faders.
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I believe the default is post input delay, pre hp/gate/comp/eq/fader. There is also a post delay/hp/gate/comp/eq available on the DSP patch if you prefer recording that.
And yes, Mackie+2 will be the easiest, best way for the majority of the user base.
The other stuff is extra, but with such a huge user base, there will be all sorts of user developed and shared material as well as third party freeware/shareware/buyware developments that exploit the available options.
 
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